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šØš¦ Soft Landing Divorce Podcast is about helping separating couplesāwhether just starting the journey or already stuck in the Divorce Industrial Complexāfind a clearer, kinder path forward.
Hosted by Sarah Bates, Certified Divorce Specialist and creator of Naked Divorce Filer by DTSW, and Ken Maynard, Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and Accredited Family Mediator, the show blends Sarahās practical legal knowāhow with Kenās Soft Landing Divorce Settlement Method. Together, they cut through confusion, demystify the process, and show couples how to avoid costly legal battles.
Each episode features roundtable discussions that share proven settlement strategies, tools, and support resources. Listeners will learn how to simplify paperwork, reduce conflict, and create sustainable agreements with dignity and confidence.
With new episodes every Tuesday and occasional bonus drops, the Soft Landing Divorce Podcast offers straight, plainātalk guidance that helps you move forward without the chaos. Follow now so you never miss an episode
Episodes

Tuesday Aug 12, 2025
Tuesday Aug 12, 2025
Rethinking āLawyering Upā
Facing divorce often leads people to lawyer up immediately, but what if there's a smarter way to navigate divorce proceedings? Discover why starting with a mediator and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA) can help you maintain control, gain financial clarity, and reduce animosity in divorce and separation. This episode explores how prioritizing finances and children over hasty legal battles leads to informed decisions, cost-effective solutions, and the best possible outcome for a smooth divorce.
Key Takeaways
- Maintain control over divorce proceedings by collaborating with a mediator and CDFA, making collaborative decisions instead of letting courts dictate terms.
- Gain financial expertise to understand short-term and long-term implications, ensuring comprehensive disclosure and a clear financial picture before hiring a divorce lawyer.
- Opt for a cost-effective, holistic approach that reduces animosity, protects children's welfare, and creates a stable environment during separation.
- Empower yourself with clarity and confidence to make informed decisions on legal rights, settlement options, and taking control for a better divorce outcome.
Featuring
Ken Maynard is a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and Accredited Family Mediator guiding couples through divorce and separation since 2010, using his Soft Landing Divorce Settlement Method for compassionate, cost-effective mediation via virtual conferencing.
Sarah Bates is a Certified Divorce Specialist at Naked Divorce Filer by DTSW, with over a decade in family law, helping clients file uncontested divorces affordably and drama-free, focusing on dignity, clarity, and confidence.
Listen & Subscribe
Tune in now to rethink hiring a divorce lawyer and discover how mediation and financial guidance can empower you to navigate divorce with clarity and confidenceāsubscribe for more insights on facing divorce and achieving the best possible outcome. Contact US: https://to.softlandingpodcast.ca
Show Notes and DownloadsĀ https://to.softlandingpodcast.ca/S2E5ShowNotes
š¬ Thanks for Listening
Ken Maynard
Thank you for joining us on the Soft Landing Divorce Podcast, where we believe that separation can be a starting pointānot just an end. With the right support, you can navigate this transition with dignity, clarity, and a vision for your future. Iām Ken Maynard, Accredited Family Mediator and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA), and founder of Divorce the Smartway. I help separating couples find resolution through constructive dialogue, practical financial planning, and family-first solutions.- š Phone: (647) 360-3200
- š Website: divorcethesmartway.ca
- š§ Email: kmaynard@dtsw.ca
Sarah Bates
I believe every ending can be the beginning of a healthier, more empowered life. Iām Sarah Batesādivorce consultant, educator, and advocate for compassionate separation. If you're navigating separation, co-parenting, or just need guidance on building the right team, Iām here to help.- š Phone: (647) 493-1800
- š Website: www.thesmartdivorce.com
- š§ Email: sarah@thesmartdivorce.com
Connect with US: to.softlandingpodcast.ca

Monday Aug 11, 2025
Monday Aug 11, 2025
Navigating the Dual Nature of Divorce: Emotional and Legal Aspects
Divorce isn't just a legal battleāit's a profound emotional journey filled with stages of grief like denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Discover how poor emotional management can lead to skyrocketing legal costs, endless arguments, and unnecessary court battles over child custody and asset division. Join us as we explore the smart divorce approach, where a certified divorce coach provides emotional support and mindfulness techniques to achieve emotional closure, rational legal decisions, and long-term well-being for you and your kids' future.
Key Takeaways
- Understand the emotional divorce stagesādenial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptanceāand how they impact legal proceedings to avoid emotional disconnection and costly mistakes.
- Learn why separating emotional healing from legal decisions prevents adversarial divorce, reduces legal costs, and promotes fair outcomes in mediation and asset division.
- Discover the role of a divorce coach in managing emotional complexity, offering emotional reserve, and guiding you toward emotional recovery without escalating child custody disputes.
- Explore achieving a smart divorce by balancing emotional support with collaborative divorce strategies for emotional closure and a healthier post-divorce life.
Featuring
- Ken Maynard: Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and Accredited Family Mediator who guides families through separation using his Soft Landing Divorce Settlement Method for compassionate, cost-effective mediation.
- Sarah Bates: Certified Divorce Specialist at Naked Divorce Filer by DTSW, helping clients file uncontested divorces affordably with clarity and dignity, avoiding drama and unnecessary legal battles.
Listen & Subscribe
Tune in now to master the emotional and legal aspects of divorceāsubscribe on your favorite platform for more insights on smart divorce strategies and emotional healing. Contact US: https://to.softlandingpodcast.ca
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Ken Maynard
Thank you for joining us on the Soft Landing Divorce Podcast, where we believe that separation can be a starting pointānot just an end. With the right support, you can navigate this transition with dignity, clarity, and a vision for your future. Iām Ken Maynard, Accredited Family Mediator and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA), and founder of Divorce the Smartway. I help separating couples find resolution through constructive dialogue, practical financial planning, and family-first solutions.- š Phone: (647) 360-3200
- š Website: divorcethesmartway.ca
- š§ Email: kmaynard@dtsw.ca
Sarah Bates
I believe every ending can be the beginning of a healthier, more empowered life. Iām Sarah Batesādivorce consultant, educator, and advocate for compassionate separation. If you're navigating separation, co-parenting, or just need guidance on building the right team, Iām here to help.- š Phone: (647) 493-1800
- š Website: www.thesmartdivorce.com
- š§ Email: sarah@thesmartdivorce.com
Connect with US: to.softlandingpodcast.ca

Tuesday Aug 05, 2025
Tuesday Aug 05, 2025
Break Free from the Divorce Industrial Complex Trap
Discover how the Divorce Industrial Complex traps couples in a web of greedy lawyers, hidden costs, and prolonged conflict, turning separations into financial burdens and emotional tolls. In this eye-opening episode, explore the Soft Landing Divorce Settlement Methodāa mediation-focused, cost-effective divorce alternative that empowers you to guard wealth during divorce, reduce legal fees, and achieve amicable resolutions without the profit motive exploitation. Break free from disempowerment in divorce and embrace efficient resolution for better emotional well-being and peaceful co-parenting arrangements.
Key Takeaways
- The Divorce Industrial Complex creates financial burdens through high legal fees and profit-driven services, often prolonging conflict and exacerbating stress and anxiety.
- Traditional divorce fosters an adversarial nature, leading to hidden costs, emotional toll, and disempowerment, while alternatives like mediation offer financial transparency and reduced conflict.
- The Soft Landing Divorce Settlement Method promotes collaborative divorce with a neutral mediator, focusing on fair asset division, spousal support, and quicker settlements to guard wealth during divorce.
- By choosing cost-effective divorce options, couples can achieve empowerment in divorce, better family dynamics, and economic relief, avoiding the traps of greedy lawyers and bureaucratic hurdles.
Featuring
Sarah Bates, Certified Divorce Specialist and founder of Naked Divorce Filer by DTSW, with over a decade in family law, helps clients navigate uncontested divorces affordably without lawyers, emphasizing clarity and dignity.
Ken Maynard, Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and Accredited Family Mediator, uses his Soft Landing Divorce Settlement Method to guide families through virtual mediation, prioritizing collaboration, financial insight, and amicable agreements since 2010.
Listen & Subscribe
Tune in now to learn how to guard wealth during divorce and explore alternatives to traditional divorceāsubscribe on your favorite platform for more insights on breaking free from the Divorce Industrial Complex. Contact US:Ā https://to.softlandingpodcast.ca
Show Notes and Downloads https://to.softlandingpodcast.ca/S2E1ShowNotes
š¬ Thanks for Listening
Ken Maynard
Thank you for joining us on the Soft Landing Divorce Podcast, where we believe that separation can be a starting pointānot just an end. With the right support, you can navigate this transition with dignity, clarity, and a vision for your future. Iām Ken Maynard, Accredited Family Mediator and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA), and founder of Divorce the Smartway. I help separating couples find resolution through constructive dialogue, practical financial planning, and family-first solutions.- š Phone: (647) 360-3200
- š Website: divorcethesmartway.ca
- š§ Email: kmaynard@dtsw.ca
Sarah Bates
I believe every ending can be the beginning of a healthier, more empowered life. Iām Sarah Batesādivorce consultant, educator, and advocate for compassionate separation. If you're navigating separation, co-parenting, or just need guidance on building the right team, Iām here to help.- š Phone: (647) 493-1800
- š Website: www.thesmartdivorce.com
- š§ Email: sarah@thesmartdivorce.com
Connect with US: to.softlandingpodcast.ca

Monday Jul 28, 2025
Beyond the Coliseum: A Kinder Approach to Divorce
Monday Jul 28, 2025
Monday Jul 28, 2025
Rethinking the Legal Battlefield: Towards a More Humane Approach to Divorce
Hosted by Ken Maynard, CDFA and Accredited Family Mediator
Featuring the Foundational Episode That Sparked the Soft Landing Podcast
In this episode, Ken Maynard brings clarity and compassion to one of the most misunderstood elements of family law: Canada's deeply entrenched adversarial legal system. As a precursor to the Soft Landing Podcast, this episode lays critical groundwork for a smarter, more humane way forward.
Episode Theme: Breaking Free from the āColiseum Modelā
Drawing on powerful metaphors and real-world insight, Ken explores:
- Why the adversarial āColiseumā approach is so damaging to families
- The rise of collaborative law, mediation, and therapeutic jurisprudence as viable alternatives
- How the Soft Landing Method helps families escape the financial and emotional fallout of traditional litigation
Impact: Changing the Narrative in Family Law
This episode reframes what it means to ālawyer up,ā advocating instead for a process that prioritizes mental wellness, child well-being, and financial clarityāa legacy that continues to shape divorce education today.
š¬ Thanks for Listening
Ken Maynard
Thank you for joining us on the Soft Landing Divorce Podcast, where we believe that separation can be a starting pointānot just an end. With the right support, you can navigate this transition with dignity, clarity, and a vision for your future. Iām Ken Maynard, Accredited Family Mediator and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA), and founder of Divorce the Smartway. I help separating couples find resolution through constructive dialogue, practical financial planning, and family-first solutions.- š Phone: (647) 360-3200
- š Website: divorcethesmartway.ca
- š§ Email: kmaynard@dtsw.ca
Sarah Bates
I believe every ending can be the beginning of a healthier, more empowered life. Iām Sarah Batesādivorce consultant, educator, and advocate for compassionate separation. If you're navigating separation, co-parenting, or just need guidance on building the right team, Iām here to help.- š Phone: (647) 493-1800
- š Website: www.thesmartdivorce.com
- š§ Email: sarah@thesmartdivorce.com
Connect with US: to.softlandingpodcast.ca

Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
āWeāre Not Divorcing Youā: The Essential Talk Every Parent Must Have
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
What Should We Tell the Children?
Hosted by Deborah Moskovich and Steve Peck | Featuring Guest Dr. Joan Kelly
A Milestone in Divorce Education
This powerful episode of The Smart Divorce marks a pivotal step toward more compassionate, informed, and child-focused separation. Featuring internationally renowned psychologist and divorce expert Dr. Joan Kelly, this conversation delivers a masterclass in one of the most emotionally charged moments of divorce: telling your children.
The Episode That Paved the Way for the Soft Landing Podcast
Before the Soft Landing Podcast redefined humane separation, this episode set the standard. It's an achievement episodeāa foundational conversation that reshaped how families approach divorce, emphasizing transparency, empathy, and preparation.
Key Takeaways
- Why only 5% of parents inform their children with intentionāand how to change that.
- How to script age-appropriate conversations that foster stability and security.
- The three critical messages every child must hear: āItās not your fault, we love you, and weāre still your parents.ā
- What to say, what to avoid, and how to prepare when co-parenting under one roof.
Inspiration for a Smarter Tomorrow
Deborah and Steveās vulnerability, coupled with Dr. Kellyās decades of research, create a deeply moving and practical guide for parents facing one of lifeās most difficult transitions. If youāre navigating divorce, this is the conversation that will change how you do itāand how your children remember it.
š¬ Thanks for Listening
Ken Maynard
Thank you for joining us on the Soft Landing Divorce Podcast, where we believe that separation can be a starting pointānot just an end. With the right support, you can navigate this transition with dignity, clarity, and a vision for your future. Iām Ken Maynard, Accredited Family Mediator and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA), and founder of Divorce the Smartway. I help separating couples find resolution through constructive dialogue, practical financial planning, and family-first solutions.- š Phone: (647) 360-3200
- š Website: divorcethesmartway.ca
- š§ Email: kmaynard@dtsw.ca
Sarah Bates
I believe every ending can be the beginning of a healthier, more empowered life. Iām Sarah Batesādivorce consultant, educator, and advocate for compassionate separation. If you're navigating separation, co-parenting, or just need guidance on building the right team, Iām here to help.- š Phone: (647) 493-1800
- š Website: www.thesmartdivorce.com
- š§ Email: sarah@thesmartdivorce.com
Connect with US: to.softlandingpodcast.ca

Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Tell the Children
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Tell the Children
š¬ Thanks for Listening
Ken Maynard
Thank you for joining us on the Soft Landing Divorce Podcast, where we believe that separation can be a starting pointānot just an end. With the right support, you can navigate this transition with dignity, clarity, and a vision for your future. Iām Ken Maynard, Accredited Family Mediator and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA), and founder of Divorce the Smartway. I help separating couples find resolution through constructive dialogue, practical financial planning, and family-first solutions.- š Phone: (647) 360-3200
- š Website: divorcethesmartway.ca
- š§ Email: kmaynard@dtsw.ca
Sarah Bates
I believe every ending can be the beginning of a healthier, more empowered life. Iām Sarah Batesādivorce consultant, educator, and advocate for compassionate separation. If you're navigating separation, co-parenting, or just need guidance on building the right team, Iām here to help.- š Phone: (647) 493-1800
- š Website: www.thesmartdivorce.com
- š§ Email: sarah@thesmartdivorce.com
Connect with US: to.softlandingpodcast.ca

Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Beyond Litigation: Rewriting the Divorce Story
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Redefining Divorce: A Kinder Path Forward
Hosted by Deborah Moskovich with guest John Schuman
From Conflict to Compassion: The Power of Alternative Dispute Resolution
In this milestone episode of The Smart Divorce, recorded live at the Family Support Expo in Toronto, Deborah Moskovich welcomes seasoned family lawyer John Schuman for an eye-opening conversation on how separating couples can break away from adversarial courtroom battles. Marking an achievement in divorce education, this discussion challenges outdated assumptionsāproving that divorce doesnāt have to mean destruction. It stands as a proud predecessor to the Soft Landing Podcast, setting the stage for more humane and thoughtful separations. What makes this episode uniquely impactful?
- An empathetic breakdown of litigation vs. ADRāwhy court may be the worst option for your family.
- Real-world examples of how mediation, arbitration, and collaborative law offer agency, privacy, and peace.
- Key insights into protecting childrenās well-being while preserving dignity on both sides.
This isnāt just an episodeāitās a turning point.
Whether you're navigating a separation or guiding others through one, this conversation will leave you with tools, hope, and the affirmation that a smarter, softer landing is possible.
š¬ Thanks for Listening
Ken Maynard
Thank you for joining us on the Soft Landing Divorce Podcast, where we believe that separation can be a starting pointānot just an end. With the right support, you can navigate this transition with dignity, clarity, and a vision for your future. Iām Ken Maynard, Accredited Family Mediator and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA), and founder of Divorce the Smartway. I help separating couples find resolution through constructive dialogue, practical financial planning, and family-first solutions.- š Phone: (647) 360-3200
- š Website: divorcethesmartway.ca
- š§ Email: kmaynard@dtsw.ca
Sarah Bates
I believe every ending can be the beginning of a healthier, more empowered life. Iām Sarah Batesādivorce consultant, educator, and advocate for compassionate separation. If you're navigating separation, co-parenting, or just need guidance on building the right team, Iām here to help.- š Phone: (647) 493-1800
- š Website: www.thesmartdivorce.com
- š§ Email: sarah@thesmartdivorce.com
Connect with US: to.softlandingpodcast.ca

Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Growing Up Between Two Homes: The Emotional Reality of Shared Custody
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
The Shared Custody Experience: A New Chapter in Divorce Education
Hosted by Deborah Moskovich and Steve Peck | Featuring Guest Researcher Denise Whitehead
An Achievement Episode and Foundational Moment for the Soft Landing Podcast
In this milestone episode of The Smart Divorce, we take a profound step forward in reshaping how we understand the real-world impact of divorce on childrenāespecially those who live within shared custody arrangements. This episode stands as an early forerunner to the Soft Landing Podcast, marking an educational pivot toward empathy, research-driven insight, and true child-centered divorce planning.
Unique Storyline: Childrenās Voices, Finally Heard
Our featured guest, Denise Whiteheadālawyer, social scientist, and PhD in Family Relationsāshares groundbreaking research on how young adults reflect on their experiences growing up in shared custody homes. The episode brings to life not only academic findings but also deeply personal, often tearful stories from the children themselves.
- Insights from adult children who navigated complex custody dynamics and still emerged with strength, clarity, and purpose.
- What children really feel about the fairness, transitions, and emotional labor involved in shared custody.
- How parenting plans must evolve as children growāemotionally, socially, and developmentally.
Why This Episode Matters
Itās a compelling call to listen differentlyānot just to each other as co-parents, but to our children, who are often silently adjusting their lives to protect us. This episode doesn't just offer informationāit delivers transformation.
š¬ Thanks for Listening
Ken Maynard
Thank you for joining us on the Soft Landing Divorce Podcast, where we believe that separation can be a starting pointānot just an end. With the right support, you can navigate this transition with dignity, clarity, and a vision for your future. Iām Ken Maynard, Accredited Family Mediator and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA), and founder of Divorce the Smartway. I help separating couples find resolution through constructive dialogue, practical financial planning, and family-first solutions.- š Phone: (647) 360-3200
- š Website: divorcethesmartway.ca
- š§ Email: kmaynard@dtsw.ca
Sarah Bates
I believe every ending can be the beginning of a healthier, more empowered life. Iām Sarah Batesādivorce consultant, educator, and advocate for compassionate separation. If you're navigating separation, co-parenting, or just need guidance on building the right team, Iām here to help.- š Phone: (647) 493-1800
- š Website: www.thesmartdivorce.com
- š§ Email: sarah@thesmartdivorce.com
Connect with US: to.softlandingpodcast.ca